Нашла чудесное - Дэн Симмонс отвечает на вопрос тупых детей досужих критиков, почему у него в романе "Террор" геи (их там аж четверо) неправильно себя ведут.
Развернутый ответ приводится под more (осторожно, английский езыг!), а вкратце сводит к тому, что

да потому, что это никакие не "геи", ебуту вашу мамеле, идиоты озабоченные I almost never engage in discussions with people, at least not in a defending-the-words way, re: my own books and stories, but let me respond directly to you re: your discovering "the small literary flaw" (i.e. the "gay men") in THE TERROR.

I think you're wrong. And I think you're wrong for more reasons than the obvious one that being a homosexual does not, by itself, qualify someone to judge such elements in literary works.

The critics writing in "gay journals" saw four gay men in THE TERROR, and they were horrified as to how they were portrayed (two too villainous, two too good, as you say) but they were wrong even in their counting.

The villain --Cornelius Hickey -- is not gay. Neither is the man he's having sex with, Magnus Manson. Hickey is the ultimate sea-lawyer (every ship has one) and eager mutineer, but he's also an Iago in his absolute need to manipulate others. He has (mostly receives) below-decks sex with the huge, retarded man named Magnus Manson because it's the easiest way to manipulate the giant into becoming a pawn he can use. The sex means nothing to Hickey; the control of others everything.

Demands from gay reviewers that these men have their affair proudly and boldly and above-decks, and that it be received by the other crewmen as normal, is absurd. I repeat -- it's no gay shipboard affair: Cornelius Hickey would fuck a knothole in the ship's timbers if it would give the slightest advantage in the mutiny he's formenting. There is no love here, no affection, and no relationship other than master and giant slave. (We can only guess at the retarded giant Manson's sexual history, but we know for a certainty that it's Hickey's attention and supposed friendship that enthralls him and makes him do the terrible deeds he does. Magnus Manson has no compass at all -- moral, sexual, or otherwise. He makes no choices.)

The other two "gay characters" -- the "too good ones" -- are the Chief Petty Office Harry Peglar (much-respected captain of the foretop -- but most foretop captains are highly respected since one can't fake competence up there) and an elderly ship's steward John Bridgens. Bridgens is 'gay," Peglar really is not despite a short-lived sexual relationship with Bridgens on shore (but the love here comes from Peglar after Bridgens had educated Peglar, literally taught him to read and write -- much less love literature -- decades earlier during the 5-year voyage of the HMS Beagle. In a real sense, John Bridgens created the adult,literate, thinking Harry Peglar. Peglar would have loved and admired Brigens no matter what the steward's sexual orientation was. And Harry didn't even know that Bridgens was 'gay" during their long sea voyage on the BEAGLE.

Here the 'gay critics" frothed at the mouth. My sin was making Bridgens celibate while on the ship, "hiding" his sexual preference by limiting it to secret relationships ashore. Bridgens was far too much the saint. Again, they cried, these men would have shown their preference and flaunted their relationship aboard the ship! Why, homosexuality was rampant in the Royal Navy!! To deny that is hypocrisy.

Well . . . yes and no. My character John Bridgens had fallen in love with young Harry Peglar during the voyage of the Beagle, but there was no way on earth he would pursue a physical relationship while at sea. Bridgens was a professional steward -- he'd spent much of his life at sea (and they reversed his age, 61, to 16 on the ship's roster in my tale to give him one last voyage.) He knew better than anyone on board the Royal Navy's punishment for sodomy.

It happened frequently on long voyages -- especially before the mast (enlisted men's quarters) -- but the punishment was severe -- hanging -- and could be administered any time. The merciful alternative to being hanged for sodomy was being "flogged around the fleet" -- i.e. when all the fleet ships were anchored somewhere, the convicted sodomite was rowed from ship to ship and often given up to 50 lashes on each ship. Many did not survive being flogged around the fleet; those who did were never the same. Dismissal from the service, in shame, was a given.

But it was more than fear of punishment that kept my educated and sea-wise character of the now elderly (by 1845 standards) John Bridgens from flaunting his homosexuality, either at sea or on shore. He was a sensitive as well as educated man and he wanted to preserve not only his own sea career but those of the few seamen whom he fell in love with at sea and met later on shore -- such as Harry Peglar. And while Bridgens knew that Peglar loved him -- for what he had taught him, for the doors he'd opened for him, as well as for himself -- Bridgens was also smart enough to know that Harry Peglar was not 'gay." Peglar was no homosexual except in this unusual to the point of unique (five years on the HMS Beagle with Charles Darwin and his mentor Bridgens, Peglar learning words and books and literature and geologoy and biology and chess and music each of those days.)

Again, the outraged gay-journal demands that these men exhibit their sexuality proudly and openly, literally abovedecks, is absurd. (There were a few ships in the Royal Navy then where sodomy was known, if not accepted, but it was always with a homosexual captain -- and there morale almost always went to hell fast with the captain's "pets", those officers who accepted his advances, receiving preferential treatment. These ships were well known by other ships and their captains, and few were surprised at the ultimate court martials and punishments. (Few things were punished as consistently in the Royal Navy than allowing discipline to break down aboard one of Her Majesty's ships.)

So in a real sense, there was only one "gay man" in my novel THE TERROR -- the aged steward John Bridgens, who happened to be right when he (presumptuously) suggested to Captain Crozier, based upon Bridgen's reading the journals of previous ships captains caught in the ice in the vicinity the EREBUS and TERROR were, that the best way to escape on foot was east across the ice and then north along the peninsula to supply caches near regular whaling routes. It might have saved the crew had Crozier chosen that alternative, rather than tried to trek south more than 1,000 miles.

So, for a change, I won't remain silent at this charge of my novel's "literary flaw" -- small or large. I think that all four characters -- the Iago-ish Hickey, the idiot Magnus Manson, the well-educated Bridgens, and the simple but courageous Harry Peglar (who now had a wife during the time of his final voyage) -- are believable and consistent in the framework not only of their times but of their characters.

And to those "reviewers" in the gay web sites and journals who were so totally outraged that the "gay characters" in THE TERROR didn't speak, act, and show pride like gays are supposed to in the 21st Century -- who found this the fatal flaw of the novel -- I have nothing to say. One of the greatest mistakes of ALL current fiction is the sad attempt to graft modern sensibilities, thoughts, and behavior onto men and women from another age, and I'll have none of it. (And, I have to say, bringing one's sexual preference as an element of judgement to a literary discussion is like bringing a pair of dull scissors to a gunfight.)

читать дальшеI can discuss this with you, Peter, because we've become -- if not friends -- at least respected interlocutors on this forum. But the 'gay critics" who dismissed THE TERROR based on their own obviously advanced literary enlightenment due to sexual preference can go take a flying leap.

Dan Simmons

ps -- It's a fact, and a provocative one, that a skeleton of a small, probably older man (based on missing teeth and worn molars) was found, dressed in the remaining rags of a steward's uniform, right where I had "John Bridgens" walk off to die on the south coast of the island. And the skeletal remains in the steward's uniform was carrying, for reasons unknown, the confused and semi-literate journal of a certain topmast captain named Harry Peglar.

And if it makes my critics any happier, it's almost a certainty that the real John Bridgens on the Erebus's muster -- who was 16, not 61 -- and the real Chief Petty Officer Harry Peglar were almost certainly full-time heterosexuals. And, for those worrying, the REAL Magnus Manson (all of the characters were based on real names on the ships' musters) was almost certainly not a retarded giant in the thrall of Cornelius Hickey or anyone else. And Hickey was probably the bravest and most loyal man aboard. I just thought the names fit the roles I needed.

В общем, аффтар нигодуэ!!!! И правильно делает.

@темы: слэш, бой танка с самолетом, all gays

Нужно узнать, как скульпторы работают с камнем (сроки, инструменты и т.д.). В Обоснуй идти не решаюсь. Может, у кого-то есть представление?

@темы: матчасть, помощь зала, графомань

Ну что, кошачнечги, с ДНЁМ?

@темы: вижуал саппорт, кисы, moder life

котик все.
Ибо.

Посмотреть на Яндекс.Фотках

Приплыли. К 12 серии "Правил" Лексснет вдруг обнаружила, что у товарища-неправильного-Магистра вполне фапа себе внешность. (Хотя бы методом исключения - на кого там еще-то?)
... Нет, определенно, Паркер что-то играет, хотя явно и не то, что было в книге. В книге было нечто невозможно-прекрасно-статуарное, а здесь... руками играет, лицом играет, кривую ухмылку выдает, лапочка какой синеглазый, спамить-спамить-спамить

@темы: зайчеги, времяжорки

У Елены Первушиной выложена занятная статья Анны Фройд Фрейд "Фантазии и образы избиения".
Как, значит, из йуных дев вырастают слэшеры-нонконщики. Дева по ссылке, правда, ограничивалась фантазиями о пытках, но мы-то понимаем...

Мое замечание: на самом деле, основная проблема - вовсе не превратить личную фантазию в акт коммуникации, адресованный другому (хотя для школия подростков это, наверное, и актуально), а читать дальшевыкинуть этого "другого" нахуй из творческого акта. Потому что он там слишком много на себя берет. Писать надо так, словно ты пожизненно на необитаемом острове или уже по-бартовски скончался и тебе абсолютно все равно, куда это письмо уйдет (про письмо, кажется, уже Лакан, но поххх опять же).

@темы: стобаксов, графомань, я и моя депра

Начала смотреть Fringe (За гранью то есть).
Поняла, что любовь с X-файлами была давно и вообще.

@темы: времяжорки

медитаций на белый экран, IRL-общения и одного казуса, имевшего место около полугода назад, озадачилась довольно непростым вопросом.

В основном, к читающим или читавшим фэнтези слэш-ориджи тоже сойдут, lol.

А скажите мне, дорогие соседи по дняве, вам как симпатичнее:
когда вымышленная культура/цивилизация дает явные и стройные аллюзии на реальные земные аналоги?
или когда она имеет смешанные черты или вообще ни на что толком не похожа?

читать дальшеНапример, если описываются неприступные замки, бряцающие доспехом рыцари и драконы пр. ранний феодализм, то добавление в картину многолюдных гаремов и каллиграфии по шелку - это уже Япония в плюс или в минус?
Или, например, в местном монотеистическом Нуменоре женщины разгуливают с голой грудью и тавромахиякатапсия по пятницам в качестве всенародно любимого развлечения, а изображения Г-да запрещены - это как?

тупо подвисла на попытке смешать пиво с молоком псевдокитайскую культуру с почитанием быков, т.к. моск подсказывает мне, что быков почитали в средиземноморском регионе, а там совсем иные культурные коды, так то

АПД. Хочу примеров.

@темы: помощь зала, графомань, проклятые вопросы

Все сделаю, всем отвечу, только дела разгребу.

"Хаус" что-то совсем погрустнел. В последней серии больше всего понравился священник-пропойца (я, правда, не поняла - так была там педофилия или нет?), аж сегодня ночью приснилось читать дальшечто вслед за ним в больничку привезли того Христа. Но я бы ему еще стигматы сочинила, чего уж там, для придания.
"Теория лжи" - плохая замена первому. К третьей серии стало ясно, что очень. Татьяна Толстая все правильно написала. Если персонажей спросонья не отличишь - хреновые это персонажи (ну, как обычно). А по степени фриковатости Рота героиня The Closer враз обходит. В общем, судя по всему, я этот кактус героически дожую до конца, плюясь колючками.

@темы: времяжорки

Дочитала биографию Генриха Третьего авторства Эрланже.
Мммм...
Лучше картинку повешу.

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Джейк Вебер (кто-нибудь еще смотрел сериал "Медиум"?) в фильме Dangerous Beauty в роли сабжпонятно кого. Попадание в образ очень хорошее, хотя его на экране всего ничего, минут 10 проездом через Венецию. За 10 минут успел погордиться собой, посмеяться, расплакаться - и вывалиться наутро от героини с более чем сияющим видом (хотя и несколько напряженной походкой... да и сидеть было трудновато ). Героине соотечественники потом овацию устроили за проявленные умения.

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Пойду поищу вариант в большем формате.

@темы: э-стория, Кино